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<JRubyGithub> [jruby] jrubyci pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/JHjI3g
<JRubyGithub> jruby/master d3df63c Chris Seaton: [Truffle] :: looks up constants slightly differently.
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<travis-ci> [travis-ci] jruby/jruby (master:d3df63c by Chris Seaton): The build is still failing. (http://travis-ci.org/jruby/jruby/builds/36725378)
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<projectodd-ci> Project jruby-master-dist build #35: ABORTED in 16 min: https://projectodd.ci.cloudbees.com/job/jruby-master-dist/35/
<projectodd-ci> * chris: [Truffle] No need to check for singleton classes in symbols - they're not allowed.
<projectodd-ci> * chris: [Truffle] Big reorg of module, class and lookup system.
<projectodd-ci> * josef.haider: [Truffle] Start to use Rubinius for core library implementation.
<projectodd-ci> * chris: [Truffle] Remove accidental use of Java 8 time.
<projectodd-ci> * chris: [Truffle] Fix lexical parent of class singleton classes.
<projectodd-ci> * chris: [Truffle] We seem to be able to parse the anchors specs now.
<projectodd-ci> * chris: [Truffle] :: looks up constants slightly differently.
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/jruby-1_7 629264d Christian Meier: use snapshot jruby-openssl gem
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<travis-ci> [travis-ci] jruby/jruby (jruby-1_7:629264d by Christian Meier): The build failed. (http://travis-ci.org/jruby/jruby/builds/36751097)
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/jruby-1_7 86e4e15 Christian Meier: fix build to use snapshot gems from oss.sonatype.org
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/master ab3ec49 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Tag failing String#dup spec.
<JRubyGithub> jruby/master 4a2d5ad Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Restore struct specs tags.
<JRubyGithub> [jruby] jrubyci pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/yx_qyg
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<headius> chrisseaton: Java-based methods in JRuby are not a black box to the JVM of course, and Java+Ruby inline together just fine (under indy)
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<headius> chrisseaton: we need to add information to COPYING about the rbx sources, noting that they're BSD-licensed
<headius> anything that diverges from our three official licenses needs to go in there
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<rtyler> chrisseaton: did you see the FOSDEM announcement?
<chrisseaton> rtyler: yeah I did - I'll plan to be there
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<rtyler> WOOOOOOOOOOOO
<chrisseaton> headius: they are operationally a black box, due to limitations in C2, such as limited inlining - in practice C2 is never going to unbox through JRuby's core library implementation methods, for example
<rtyler> chrisseaton: are you at JavaOne too?
<chrisseaton> rtyler: no, my wife's just had a baby so I'm at home
<rtyler> ah congrats to you, bummer for me
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<rtyler> guess we'll meet in Brussels
<chrisseaton> rtyler: but Thomas Würthinger (my manager) is there - do you want me to put you in touch with him?
<rtyler> your boss is less interesting to me :P
<chrisseaton> headius: I think the real difference is the guarantee - Truffle guarantee's to inline through everything, C2 doesn't guarantee to inline anything
<rtyler> I'd be happy to talk with him if he wants to know anything I can tell him about how we use JRuby and Ruby in general at Lookout
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<chrisseaton> headius: I'll take a look at COPYING
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<JRubyGithub> jruby/master eb7f72e Chris Seaton: Add Rubinius copyright info to COPYING file (was already in individual files).
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<rtyler> any other JRuby folks at JavaOne today?
<headius> rtyler: at least one truffle team member was here yesterday, but unsure if he's here today
<rtyler> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BUSY
<headius> other than that...not really...the conf costs like $2500 and that's a pretty big pill to swallow
<headius> heheh, I am :-) trying to get a mirah/android app to build
<rtyler> headius: is there a BoF or anything?
<headius> unfortunately not...we used to do JRuby talks here, but everyone interested in Ruby goes to Ruby confs
<rtyler> son
<rtyler> i am disappoint
<headius> kinda goes the same for Scala and Clojure...a bit less so for Groovy
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<headius> yeah I know...it got depressing to do the JRuby talk to 20 people every year when we have hundreds at each rubyconf
<rtyler> Guillame seemed really interested in the jruby-gradle stuff when I talked to him pre-script bowl
<headius> that's cool...it could be a great gateway for folks
<rtyler> it's all about marketing man, what if we announced a JRuby Enterprise license
<rtyler> and intelliJ shit
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<nirvdrum> rtyler: I'd pay something for a profiler that can map back from JVM bytecode to Ruby source.
<rtyler> doesn't yourkit do that already?
<chrisseaton> nirvdrum: why aren't the existing profilers good enough? we're in the early stages of writing Truffle profilers - what do you need?
<nirvdrum> chrisseaton: Unless the code JITs, they're utterly useless because all you get back is AST methods.
<rtyler> Ruby$String$$
<rtyler> THANKS >_<
<chrisseaton> so it's either that, or Ruby-level profilers that use set_trace_func and are really slow?
<nirvdrum> Once it JITs/reifies, things get simpler, but nothing maps back to a .rb source filename or line.
<nirvdrum> But at least with a symbolic name I can usually deduce the source line for it.
<nirvdrum> chrisseaton: Yeah. Things like perftools.rb just don't work with JRuby.
<nirvdrum> chrisseaton: The built-in profiler works okay. But the nice part about using something like YourKit is I can start the server up with a low-cost agent and then connect at runtime to see what real traffic is doing.
<chrisseaton> nirvdrum: yeah that's what we're aiming at - allow you to connect to a real application running in production mode, and then disconnect and have it go back to full speed
<nirvdrum> The built-in profiler is good for benchmark-type work.
<chrisseaton> nirvdrum: we proved it in our debugger paper, and there's a PhD student at UCI trying to do the same thing for a profiler
<nirvdrum> chrisseaton: The other half to that is being able to do something meaningful with a heap dump. Granted there will be a fair bit of JRuby internals that won't ever be able to be ignored. But it'd be nice if there were some way to map back a hash key to a ruby-level ivar or whatever.
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<chrisseaton> nirvdrum: yeah... no ideas to help with that at the moment
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<nirvdrum> A boy can dream.
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<quarters> hello. I'm having issues with running an app through jruby and postgresql and I was wondering if it might have to do with me using Java 1.7
<chrisseaton> quarters: Java 7 should be fine - can you tell us exactly what your issues are? maybe a gist with some details?
<quarters> whenever I try to run a rake command (e.g. rake db:migrate), I get "rake aborted! NotImplementedError: NotImplementedError..."
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<quarters> I'll setup a gist in just a second
<quarters> but I'm wondering if the message I just typed in has been reported as a common issue
<quarters> I actually am lost on what I should include in the gist since the code is from a friend and not mine
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<chrisseaton> is there a stack trace with that NotImplementError?
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<quarters> I think so. I put it up here: https://gist.github.com/zebralight/9395bfd5fc25f2ef4fff
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<chrisseaton> not sure, sorry, but it's up there now in case anyone else can help
<quarters> np. Thanks anyway
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<nirvdrum> quarters: In all likelihood, it's just that ActiveRecord doesn't truly have an API, so any AR plugin is just a monkeypatch. AR and AR-JDBC have different class hierarchies, so those sorts of plugins just don't work.
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<rtyler> heh
<rtyler> AR, thar be monsters
<nirvdrum> I guess that's really true of any Rails plugin. That's why they break between every upgrade.
<nirvdrum> And sometimes between patch releases.
<nirvdrum> My life got a lot saner after I switched to Sequel.
* rtyler bits his tongue
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